Hello, lovely.
Welcome to another activating protocol.
I am so excited for today's topic.
We are going to cover how to de program.
This recording is in honor of Mother's Day and Father's Day.
So I usually like to cover this topic from different angles
around May, June.
So we do the reprogramming, the re-patterning that
has been running us as a result of the upbringing
that we receive from our caretakers.
And so what best way to honor that during May
and June when we celebrate Mother's Day
and Father's Day done by
reparenting ourselves.
Okay? So that's kind of like the idea of this recording.
And what I want to make sure that I give you today is
a little bit of the background of like what the caregiving
that we received did, like why we have these programs,
how they came to be, what's going on with that?
What is that about? And then what are the specific ways
to re mother ourselves to re feather ourselves?
Okay? So I'm gonna give you as much as possible the time
that we have together so that you understand the reason
for this topic, why I am always talking about re patterning,
what that's about, where it comes from,
and then what to do about it.
All right? So let's dive in.
So the first idea is that we receive parenting
by our caretakers, whoever they were,
including older siblings or, or parenting failures,
or parental failures in our life.
The way that we were raised,
it created an imprint in who we are.
We organized our personality, the way that we deal
with life, the way that we look at life in accordance to
how we were treated, the parenting, okay, taken
that we received the relationship
that we had with those people.
Okay? So what this means is that
literally the wiring in our brain,
the neuro pathways got developed, our brain got structured
within the normal brain structures
in relationship, in response to the interactions that we had
with our caregivers and the relationships in our early
life in our development.
So if we had a funky
mirror or a funky reflection of ourselves in response
to the treatment that we received,
we created a distorted impression of ourselves and life
and relationships and the meaning of things.
So whatever they gave us, we took in and whatever,
however, we, however that impacted us
and how we organize ourselves
and how our body reacted to it, and our brain reacted to it,
and how we showed up without a temperament
and our personality in response to that,
then they reacted back to us.
And that informed what's okay. It's not okay.
Impressions, meanings, all kinds
of ideas about things, about everything.
So that's how we come to be who we are, right?
If we are not aware of the impact that all the messages
and reactions and things had on us was informing who we are,
and we're just taking everything for granted,
and we're just going about life,
and we think, oh, this is the way I am.
Yeah, that's the way that you're choosing to show up
with whatever programs you have running
that you're not doing anything about.
Sure, that's who you are, but it doesn't have
to be if it's not working for you, right?
So that's the key here.
We could actually very pro be very proactive about
what we allow to run in the background,
who we allow ourselves to be, what we allowed
to dampen who we really are.
And we, I, when I say things like that, what that means is
there's a core essence of who we are, who we were born as.
Even though we were supposedly a blank
slate, we still have a soul.
We still have a, a journey to do.
We still have a purpose of reason to be here.
We still have a basic temperament
and things that come with this body and this personality
and this, this human right.
That's who we really are.
Then all of that got additionally shaped and massaged
and covered up by how we were raised.
That's the part that we could deprogram,
unearth, dispose of,
and do things with, like just remove the impact
that it had on our core essence.
The more that we deprogram and de shed and deconstruct,
and we get rid of the strength, the more of a radiance
and who we truly are shines through.
So that's the goal of our existence, to really become
who we really are at the end of the day,
and to have the best human
experience that we're here to have.
So, having said all that, the way that we're impacted
informs our defense mechanisms, our patterns,
our belief systems, our scripts, our defenses.
Um, I think I said that just, just
how we show up our lives are dislikes.
All, all of this stuff. If we start being more intentional
about those things, first of all, having more awareness,
understanding what is driving us,
and then being intentional about choosing,
then we are a lot more in control and more proactive
and a little bit more masterful in creating
what we want within ourselves, for ourselves,
with our partner and in our life in general.
So what we wanna do is a couple of things.
Number one, there are three layers.
Conscious, subconscious,
unconscious conscious is what we are doing right now.
We're what we are aware of.
Subconscious is stuff that we could access if we tune in
and we go into like meditative state if you may,
or like some kind of a trance
or just deeper, deeper awareness,
exploring, even just journaling.
If it just go deeper, we could access mindsets,
limited beliefs, and just programs are a little bit more,
not top of mind like that we know.
But if we start digging, we could access.
And unconscious is more like embodied brain.
It's what that, that neuro pathways
and that that wiring that kind of happen, the trauma
that stuck in our nervous system are, or in our muscle
and that muscle memory in our bodies.
The wiring and patterning from the way that, that, that we,
the way that we get wired by how we interacted
with our caretakers, that stuff is more unconscious.
We can't access and the knowledge in
our nervous system, right?
Kind of thing directly.
But, so if we do the work that I'm gonna show you right now,
part of the work that I'm gonna show you, right?
I'm not gonna, I can't show you everything obviously in this
conversation, but like I'm gonna give you
highlights of things to do here.
To that end, then we can deprogram
and deconstruct all the things.
So we're gonna work the three levels at the conscious level.
We're gonna see, okay, what are our habits?
What are our thoughts? What are our behaviors?
What are our reactions?
Like anything that we could be, that we are aware of,
that we could say, okay, I'm not gonna do that anymore.
This is what I'm gonna do.
This is what I'm gonna put in place.
Perfect. That's the conscious level.
Now we could do that all we want,
but if we don't address the bottom two levels, there's only
so much that we could muscle the thing
because the programs are stronger.
They're much bigger than the conscious axis that we have,
the conscious power that we have, right?
So, so we like a, an iceberg under the water,
just the tip is the conscious.
Everything else is under.
And that's what's really running the show.
We think that that appeared, this
little tip is running the show.
It isn't. So we could be intentional about that tip,
but if we do the work under here, then this fits the tip
and there's a lot less resistance
and there's a lot less muscle in the thing,
and a less, less heartache to
and hardship to make the changes that we want.
It's much easier. Things just flow from a better place
as opposed to having to wrestle things into
being, and then they don't even stick
because the program is running.
So whatever we put here just gets,
it falls apart if we're not constantly holding it.
Okay? Hopefully that makes sense.
Um, what else do I wanna say about that?
So that's the conscious, the subconscious
is all the limiting beliefs, the scripts,
the meaning system, just everything that we believe
that we don't even know that we believe, right?
So if we start digging and analyzing things, we're like, oh,
I, I actually think that about money, about bodies,
about sex, about whatever the other thing.
All the things. And so you can start exploring those things
to see what is driving How you do things.
If you believe that you
can't make money, you won't make money.
If you believe that you should be treated like crap,
you will be treated like crap, right?
That's like that kind of thing.
Like you might say something different,
but you have this other program running
that will leave something else.
That's the thing that's gonna manifest.
So those things could be the program and the conditions,
and then at the lower level,
that's what's driving the loop in our relationship.
Well, it all is, but, but that's like kind of the program.
That's where the attraction comes
with our partner, right?
So when we talk about the loop, the dynamics of how
I do something, it might trigger you
because it reminds you of how you were raised at some level.
So you do something and then that triggers me,
and then I respond with the same stuff.
It triggers you back and we keep ourselves in the loop.
You know how I teach that all the time?
What gets triggered is really like an internal
makeup program.
That underlying wound That's
built into our, into our system of I'm a bandit.
I'm not good enough, I'm suffocated, I can't breathe,
I'm controlled, I'm small, right?
Those wounds, I'm rejected.
I don't measure up those things that drive the pursuer
and the distance or dynamic they're built in.
When your partner, our partner does something that triggers
that, we have a reaction.
A reaction is either pursuing
or distance, then we triggers our partner.
They're gonna have the opposite one, right?
So if we come up with pursuing,
their wound is feeling suffocated, right?
So they're gonna distance when they defend with distance,
things gonna trigger our wounds of feeling alone
or abandoned, right?
And so we're gonna pursue some more.
And, and you see, that's how we do the thing.
And it could go the other way too,
so you could play out the other way.
And so
Our job then is
to reprogram at all three levels at the top level.
It's easy 'cause we know it, but it doesn't.
That's why things don't stick
because they just, we have very little control.
We could just world power,
but there's only so much world power
that we can put on a thing at the middle level.
So all the, the thinking patterns, the belief systems,
the scripts, the stories, the narratives, all that kind
of stuff, the thought patterns
and then the emotional stuff is underneath.
And that's the wounding part.
So what I wanted to offer today is to do the, to do the,
the programming is let's do some mothering
and let's do some fathering.
So we heal that emotional programming,
structural programming thing.
We, we literally rewire.
So then those drivers start going away.
And it's much easier to break that loop, right?
Because then we, we won't have that immediate
knee jerk reaction to, to something that,
that's gonna make us, that would usually make us react
with the defense that triggers our partner
and it starts the cycle.
Something happens. If we deprogram some of it,
we might not get triggered or trigger much less.
So our defense is not so strong in pursuing or distancing
and it wouldn't do the thing to our partner and vice versa.
You see now we have a different cycle.
Either much lighter dynamic or completely different dynamic.
'cause the thing didn't really get triggered. Yay.
That's what we're trying to do, right?
So before I go into that for programming, what
to give ourselves, what mothering
and what fathering, there's one
more point that I wanna make about this.
And that is that usually when we show up with our defenses
and the things that we do in life, the bad habits,
if you may also like anything that doesn't work for us,
be like, why do we even do that?
Like, I'm trying to stop that thing
or that thing that's serve me
or like anything that we wanna change
is still serves us at some place from some place.
And that's called a secondary gain.
So let's see if I can think of an example.
If I do something, I can think of something specific,
but lemme see if I could describe it.
If I do something
that supposedly is not healthy for me,
the secondary gain is, oh, so I'm not healthy
and I'm weak and I don't have strength
and I'm not able, I don't know, I'm just making this up.
Um, then people need to do stuff for me.
So then I could be lazy, you see?
So I might not have, I might not have the health
and the strength and whatever that I want.
That I say I want,
but then I get away with not having to do some things.
And that's the secondary game.
Maybe I don't have the courage or the strength.
I said lazy before. I'm not sure if that fits.
But, um, then I don't have the, I don't have
to go do the thing that I'm scared of doing, let's say
for example, right?
Because I can't do it and
therefore the gain is, I don't have to go do the thing.
There is a reason why you're not making a change.
'cause you still get something out of it, you see?
So there's still something driving it, um,
aside from the fact that it's a program
and it's hard to change unless
you're being intentional about it.
But maybe you're not motivated to change it
or you haven't gone after it
because at some level still serves you, you see?
So if that wasn't clear, feel free to ask me,
pick my brain in all of the other contexts
or put it in the, in the group.
Email me directly or talk to me in session. Alright?
So that's how we create patterns.
And by the way, depends on how,
how much those patterns show up.
They could have the flavor of the
codependent pattern, right?
So wanna point out about that is that a lot of times
we want to create the change.
We want things to change in our relationship,
but we want our partner to change.
So we go about it by being in our partner circle,
by telling them how they need
to change what they need to do.
And we become caretakers and we go
after what they need to do different, right?
Or we wait for them to change
or we try to change it for them.
These are all different ways that it shows up
and vice versa, right?
So we are doing each other's stuff.
That's the codependence piece.
And we are not really owning ourselves. We are owning them.
And so we are disempowering ourselves and them,
and we are both doing that.
It's really gets really messy as you know, right?
And so Codependence has, the name itself has a bad rabbit.
It comes from like a funky place originally it comes
from recovery literature.
And so the term might fit some of you more closely
if you have addictions
background yourself or your family member.
So, so then it totally fits from the traditional view.
But if you don't have that, don't worry about it.
You don't have to have that. The new definition
of codependence is this funky dynamic that people create,
that you keep each other stuck,
that codependency is kind like cancel stuff out
and you get, you feel stuck.
You kind of cancel each other out.
You might want to check out the works by,
uh, melody, Beatie, codependent,
no more Facing Codependence, uh, Bian,
codependence and PM Melody.
So they have some very similar names, very similar topics.
Sometimes the titles get a little confusing and the names,
and I might swap the names.
So just check out both those names
and those titles if you wanna dig into this more.
And if I haven't given this to you in the past
as a prescription, um, to address some of the things
that you might have going, that you might have going on.
Okay? So I think that's a nice overview
for Codependence Dynamics, how things get stuck
and how things play out.
The next thing is in
how you have a secondary game that keeps the things in place.
So the next thing is the deprogramming itself.
So we're gonna go at it from two angles,
the mothering and the fathering.
Why are we doing that? And why am I calling it that way?
Because I mean, I'm sure
that you've heard about deprogramming reprogramming
patterns all over the place.
Everybody talks about reprogramming patterns, right?
If you follow any personal development stuff,
but I frame it like this.
And also, it's a little side note, I'm sure
that you've heard of reparenting concepts, inner bonding,
reparenting, inner child work, there's all kinds of things
around this, right?
So it's not such a weird concept,
but I like to frame it as not just reparenting,
but mothering and fathering
because it's different energies to them
and different ways to focus.
And depending on what kind of wounding you had, it might,
might hit more home to have one flavor of the or the other.
Just a little side note there to see if it serves you.
And so you could be more specific around
how do you wanna proceed with them?
Okay? So mothering, mothering. So the nurturing stuff.
So you want to give yourself the mothering, the nurturing,
the loving that you might have, have gotten growing up.
Now, you might say the same thing's
gonna happen for the fathering, okay?
You might say, but I had those things.
My parents were perfect or they gave me all the love,
or they gave me all the things or whatever.
And let me say this to that,
you might have had a perfect childhood
and putting that in air quotes on purpose.
And it was perfect for your child's mind.
You enjoyed your childhood, your parents were fine.
And even if you know better now,
because you're an adult, looking back, you know
that they weren't perfect because nobody's perfect.
That's fine. It doesn't mean
that they didn't still wound you.
Okay? So maybe a little bit more clear about that.
Some of us might have had different childhood, not perfect.
So it's easier to come up to buy into what I'm sharing
what I'm saying in these concepts for, for some of us
who have better childhoods, it might be more challenging
because you're like, uh, it was fine.
Nothing happened, right? I'm perfect, we're fine.
And all of that could be true, but just not.
Perfection doesn't exist.
And so in the less the perfect parenting, that's how I like
to describe this usually.
So people might have had abusive childhoods
or close to perfect childhoods regardless,
because parents are not perfect.
People are not perfect. You receive less than perfect
parenting, even if you got really,
really, really good parenting.
And of course there's more, more to it if you had
really crappy parenting.
So potentially that's a separate conversation, right?
A little deeper. But still, all of this, what I'm saying,
applies in the list of perfect parenting.
You were still wounded
because your parents couldn't take care of every single need
that you had 24 7 to the depth that you needed it.
It's just not possible. So by default, by definition,
you were wounded, you were parented, you were wounded,
you were care taken, you were raised, you're an adult now,
and you had a childhood and you had a parent,
you had a caregiver, you were wounded.
That's just, that's just the way it, it is, okay?
Our job is to, okay, so
what was the less than perfect parenting that I received?
What kinda wounding or what kind of hurt
or what kind of impact did that have on me that I need
to reprogram now?
That I need to deconstruct now so I get rid of all the muck
that's covering my radiance
and I could shine with my true beautiful essence?
Okay? That's what we're trying to do.
We're not saying that your parents
sucked unless they sucked.
And that's okay too. You could say it,
you could say that if you want to.
Okay? So going back to the mothering, then,
it's nurturing, it's love, it's caretaking.
And in this case, I'm using caretaking properly.
We don't wanna care, take our partner.
'cause then when we caretaker, our partner implies
that we're parenting them.
And that's not what we wanna do. That's co depend.
There's codependent stuff in there.
But we do want to caretaker ourselves, right?
We want do wanna take care of ourselves to that deeper level
and give ourselves the nurturing, the love, the attending,
the attention, all the things that we need,
that we needed then, and that we still need now.
And I don't wanna hear that you don't, okay?
You're a human and you have human needs
and you might not have a child versions of those things,
but you still need those things.
And depending on what, what, how you were raised,
there's a part of you that's still a child
that still needs the child version of it.
Okay? So that's the kicker with all of this. That's the key.
And so what we wanna do is give that to ourselves.
So give that to the adult version of you.
Give that to the inner child version of you.
Give yourself that love, whatever flavor you could identify
that you need, whether it's praise, love,
hugging, touching, right?
So you give it to yourself.
You could request it from your partner.
You could get the love from your children, such
as all within appropriate bounds, of course, right?
You could get affect from friends, right?
So you could get love in different ways so that,
that you could meet that core need
all within appropriate definitions of things.
And, and by putting things in place to take care
of yourself, to take care of that need, you've given
to yourself what you didn't get that you needed.
You heal the wound by healing the wound.
You're reprogramming. You see?
Because now you're not walking around as a gashing thing
that when it gets touched, a defense comes out.
So that's how you do it. Now, the key here is
to put in place ongoing behaviors that gives us
to yourself automatically.
So you don't have to work so hard at this,
and you don't have to reinvent the wheel every time
you wanna do something for yourself.
So building a routine, a self-care routine,
a pampering routine, um, a way of speaking to yourself.
Work on reprogramming the way that you do that,
like the habit of how you talk to yourself.
How do you honor commitments with yourself, right?
All of these things. Then you're not abandoning yourself.
That's the per, that's the reason why I'm saying that.
You're not beating up on yourself with the words, right?
So if you're kind in yourself, talk,
so you could identify different ways
that you might not be meeting your own needs,
that you might be being mean to yourself
or neglectful of yourself, or shaming, abusive.
And you're gonna give yourself the opposite.
You see, we do all this stuff to yourself,
we don't even know, right?
So we say how we were raised, those of us who own that,
the way that we were raised might not have been great.
We might say it, oh, because of our upbringing,
but we're still doing it to ourselves.
So that's why this reparenting re mothering.
And then in a second re fathering is very helpful
because then we not only are healing the stuff
that's already that happened, we are given to ourselves.
We didn't get, so we heal those wounds.
So we are reprogramming that in and of itself,
but we're also not perpetrating the cycle
and we're not continuing to do that to ourselves, right?
So we take care of ourselves better.
And by doing that, all the, all the programs, all the mud,
all the mud that's covering a radiance falls off.
Okay? So that's the idea with that.
So put recurring behavior.
So I make it a little list of all the things, compassion,
positive self talk, little treats, bubble bath
as every Friday, I don't know, like all the, got a list
of things that, that serve you.
That you, you give yourself love and nurturing
and compassion and kindness
and just yumminess nurturing and love.
Make a list of ways that you like to receive it.
And put a rhythm in place, a cadence, habits, ways
of giving that to yourself automatically.
You don't have to put all of the things in place,
but put a few because you build it into your routine.
Check your reprogramming. Good. Okay?
And then the next one is the fathering.
Now with the fathering, fathering is slightly different.
Same concept. Everything that I say still applies,
but the way that you give yourself fathering is
through discipline.
So this is, this is the cool things about the the two.
And that's why I distinguish between them in this,
every parenting, the mothering gives the mothering gives the
nurturing, the loving the fathering gives the discipline,
the protection, the care, the security, right?
How many of us work are working around with wounds
of like not feeling safe, not feeling secure,
not feeling stable, not feeling protected, right?
Always in fear. And so we give that to ourselves.
So how do we give that to ourselves?
We give that to ourselves through routines,
schedules, templates, rhythms, cadences
to our lifestyle, right?
So that's structure creates the stability
and the security and habits.
The way that we establish habits.
The, the, the mothering is the content of the habits.
The fathering is the,
the discipline of it.
Like this, the what, the, the routine of it, right?
So the mothering might be taking a bath.
The fathering is every Friday night at 6:00 PM I take a
bath, right?
So the 6:00 PM every Friday that the, the, the,
the structure of it, that's the fathering,
the behavior itself.
The, the bath is the mothering. That's the content.
That's the, that's the,
that's the nurturing, right?
And the following is the structure.
And notice also, if you follow any
of my masculine feminine concepts through the mind
or you know, from somewhere else,
the mothering is the feminine energy.
The following is the masculine energy. Hello.
So we could give that to ourselves, right?
So we could repairing ourselves
with feminine energy and with masculine energy.
That's another way of looking at this.
So we're gonna give ourselves the discipline,
the containers, the structures, the routines,
the, the calendars.
Like all, all the ways to contain and structure
and create structure
that's gonna give the stability and the safety.
Also things like maybe installing cameras,
maybe making sure there's a direct deposit
to your checking account and that the money gets withdrawn
to go here, and that there's a certain amount
of money that goes whatever.
Like, thus creates also security and safety, right?
Um, so however you translate security and safety.
So you could also do a list of ideas.
Do I need to install cameras? Do I need to change the locks?
Do I need to get extra pair of keys?
Do I need to have, um,
a spare tire in my car?
Do I need to have this much money
in the, in the bank account?
Do I need to have life insurance policy? Right?
You have any flavor? Like what's the protection
and what is the structure?
What is the, the protocol, the system, the, the, the device,
whatever it's gonna give you safety, it shows
up anywhere, right?
So I have a Mac now,
but when I used to have Windows machines
and the, the spyware,
and I forget what they used to call it, Norton
or whatever, like all the things to protect your device so
that you wouldn't get hacked
and viruses, all this stuff,
oh my gosh, that was nuts, right?
That used to stress the bejesus outta me.
Um, just making sure that my stuff was safe
and protected, right?
Same thing with my website. So they don't get hacked.
Like what are the things that we put in place for
that security for that?
So it shows up in like, you know, like in all kinds
of different ways, like safety and security.
Some people have things like about the mail
and their addresses or the personal information, right?
People who, who ident identities got stolen.
So it shows up all over the
place in all different kinds of ways.
So we all have different flavors.
Some of us don't work alone at night.
Some of us worry about our computers, whatever, right?
So whatever the thing is, make a list.
What are your, you might see a pattern to your flavors.
Is it all physical? Is it digital?
Is it a combination of things? Is it financial?
Um, I not, I can't think of anything else,
but so flesh brainstorm.
How, how do you get triggered, right?
Like, what really agitates you? What gets on your nerves?
What, what are the, the things that occur in your life?
That could be another, another hint, right?
What are the things that always break down?
Is it always, you always get flat tires
and you, you always run outta gas.
You always get locked outta your house.
That, that do all your devices crash,
break, get lost, whatever.
Like, you might have flavors and things, right?
So maybe that's where you focus. That's one way to do it.
So safety, security, stability.
Like what, what's your flavor? What is your patterns there?
Make a list of other things and then just put a address.
A few things. Some of them might require just one
action, and it's like check.
Some of them might be things that you do ongoingly, right?
Upgrading your systems, you updating your systems
or I don't know how, how you make these things recurring,
but also the structures and the routines.
Like your calendar, your schedule, your, your cadences.
I go to the gym this many times a day, a week,
or we eat dinner at this time,
or I drink this much water every day.
Like these are rules.
If rules, and I'm using the word lightly, right?
But like, just containers, protocols,
processes, that's all masculine, that's all discipline,
that's all containers, that's all structure,
that's all safety, that's all security, right?
So, or putting all those things in place.
So see, which one of these two talks to you more?
Is it the mothering or is it the fathering?
What do you need more of? I need both. And that's okay.
No judgment anywhere on any of this.
And depending on what's talking to you.
The way that I'm saying it also extrapolate, right?
Like, this is the things that are coming in from my brain,
but it might have a different flavor for you.
Just kind of like tailor it to your situation
and see, okay, so she said that,
but it applies like this to me.
Totally fine, right? So play with it to suit you.
Mothering, fathering, a little bit of both.
Don't go crazy with either one.
Put a few things, you might have more of a mothering flavor,
more of a fathering flavor,
and then just a sprinkle of the other whatever, right?
So whatever flows to your boat, the key is
to put something in place to continue
to step up at deconditioning of reprogramming our healing,
our showing up
with our most beautiful selves without all the programs
and mud covering our radiance.
And so whatever you can put in place
to step up your game in this,
and finally get cranking on this reprogramming.
Get rid of this scrap already, right?
So take it to the next level.
Whatever you've done so far, fabulous. Do another round.
Keep doing rounds.
So put us, put, put something in place and have fun with it.
And, uh, keep revisiting it.
And keep tweaking it and, um, keep working it.
So eventually you'll be like, how much you'll notice
how much less reactive you are to all the things
that usually used to bug you.
You'll notice like all the patterns, the patterns that used
to be a thing.
Such a thing. Like they're much less, if at all,
all the things that used to play out.
A lot of, like this thing used to break all the time.
Oh, that hasn't happened in years now.
Or this thing used, this used to be such a thing.
Now it's not a thing anymore.
Like you, you'll notice the, you'll notice the progress in,
in whatever's prevalent now, whatever's in your face now,
that's an inclination or rather,
or a clue to where you need to focus your energy now.
So whatever your patterns and your themes are right now,
see if you could translate it to a mothering need
or to a fathering need.
Put the flavor in place that they don't have
to be equal amounts, they
don't have to be just one or the other.
Whatever combination works, whatever, whatever.
Whatever feels right, right?
Just do you tailor to you and to fit you and to serve you.
Okay? My loves. Again, if you have any questions,
ask me in any of the places
or let's have conversations in session.
Thank you so much for watching
and I will see you at the next one.
Bye.